Built to Last? Comparing Antique and Vintage Clock Movements

Having worked on a number of German and American clock movements recently, I began reflecting on the differences in design philosophy, construction methods, and overall durability between modern German movements from the past 30 to 40 years and American movements made over a century ago.

These comparisons reveal not just technical contrasts but also shifting attitudes toward repair, longevity, and manufacturing priorities.

In the early stages of any product’s history, things are often built better than necessary—if only because the technology was so new that no one had yet figured out how to make it cheaper and less durable.

Early American banjo clocks were lovingly handcrafted

The cost and production methods of clocks have evolved significantly over time. Originally, antique clocks were handcrafted with great skill and time investment, which made them expensive and exclusive. Later, industrial advances like assembly line manufacturing lowered production costs and made clocks more affordable and accessible to a wider audience.

So, when comparing antique and modern clocks, it’s important to keep in mind these differences in how they were made and priced.

Is Every Clock Reparable?

Do modern movements wear out faster? I often see estimates of 25 to 30 years as the economic lifespan of a modern movement. Of course, mileage may vary, but most would agree that this is a reasonable average.

Is every clock repairable? Most are. It is perfectly feasible to tear down, clean, and rebush/repivot a modern German movement, provided the manufacturer has not used automated assembly techniques that make disassembly very difficult, if not impossible.

Vintage 3-train movement from Germany

Maintenance is time-consuming and, consequently, costly. A skilled clockmaker can tear down, clean, rebush, and rebuild most movements in a few days—and may charge around several hundred dollars for their work. Of course, if you are proficient in clock repair, you can absorb the costs even though you contribute the time needed to fix the clock.

Replacement rather than repair has pushed modern manufacturing into the ‘it’s cheaper to buy a new one than to fix it’ category. This trend mirrors the auto repair industry, where many vehicle owners find that repair costs often approach or exceed the value of their car, prompting them to purchase a new or used vehicle instead. Clocks are not exempt from this pattern. Most common clocks—unless they have special provenance—are far more expensive to repair than they are worth.

If the inflation-adjusted estimates are accurate, the price of mass-produced clocks from the past isn’t significantly different from that of today’s clocks. This may be due, at least in part, to economies of scale that allowed manufacturers of the time to offer higher-quality clocks at relatively lower prices.

Skilled trades or specialized workers (e.g., machinists, toolmakers) in 1920s Canada could earn $25–$40 per week, roughly the cost of a family clock

You can buy a brand-new Hermle movement for about half the cost of repair, so most customers and clock repairers opt for replacement after discussing the options with the owner.

The Wear-out Factor

Do modern movements actually “wear out” faster than those made one hundred years ago, or is it just that the manufacturing efficiencies have made modern ones so cheap they are uneconomic to repair?

I’ve compiled a chart to illustrate the differences between American clocks manufactured over 100 years ago and German clocks produced between the 1950s and 1980s, based on my observations and research into clock repair.

Feature/AspectAmerican Clocks (1880–1930)German Clocks (1930–1980)
Typical BrandsTypically, Seth Thomas, Ansonia, Ingraham, Gilbert, WaterburyHermle, Kienzle, Junghans, HAC, Urgos
MaterialsThick brass plates, large & strong steel pivotsThinner brass plates, higher zinc content*, smaller pivots
Build QualityHeavy-duty, rugged, simpleLightweight, more delicate components, tiny pivots, plated pivots, temporarily
Tolerance for WearHigh—can run even when bushings are very wornWear develops quickly, multiple bushings are often needed
Pivot Hole WearSlow to develop, sometimes bushing is not requiredIncreased pivot wear made for a shorter lifespan, made serviceable by the factory
Design PhilosophyLong-lasting, serviceable by ownersIncreased pivot wear made for a shorter lifespan, making it serviceable by the factory
Mechanism ComplexitySimple strike/spring trains, easy to diagnose and remedySelf-correcting chime/strike, more moving parts, greater chance of malfunction
MainspringsPowerful, overbuilt, are often reusableNarrower, tightly wound, sometimes prone to breakage, often reusable
Service RequirementsCan go years without a serviceSensitive to dry oil or dirt; must be oiled regularly, shorter period between services
Common IssuesDirty oil, broken mainsprings, worn bushingsWorn bushings, broken chime hammers, gear slop
Longevity (w/o service)25 to 50 years20–30 years
Ease of Repair TodayHigh – parts are widely available, with forgiving tolerancesPre-war German clocks were very robust, and post-war had a designed lifespan
Intended LifespanGenerational/heirloom usePre-war German clocks were very robust, post-war had a designed lifespan
Notable ExceptionsCheaper “kitchen clocks” with thinner platesSome plastic gears are used, cheaper components

*Increasing the amount of zinc in brass can make the metal more cost-effective and easier to machine, but it also tends to make the alloy less durable and more prone to dezincification (where zinc leaches out, weakening the metal).

Final Thoughts

Understanding the history and evolution of clock manufacturing helps us appreciate the balance between craftsmanship, durability, and affordability.

Unique and handcrafted English travel clock

While antique clocks showcase the skill and time invested by individual makers, modern movements benefit from advances in manufacturing that make quality clocks more accessible, though often at the cost of durability and repairability. These factors allow collectors and enthusiasts to make informed decisions and better appreciate the unique value each era of clockmaking offers.

War Souvenirs | How One Clock Made Its Way Back to France

This fall, my wife and I embarked on a battlefield tour of northern France and Belgium. The weather was remarkably good for November in Europe—though mostly cloudy, we were fortunate to avoid any rain. Instead of joining an organized tour, we followed a personalized itinerary thoughtfully put together by our son, inspired by his own visit to France a few years ago.

Vimy war memorial, France
Vimy Ridge memorial

The highlight of our trip was visiting the Vimy Ridge Memorial near Arras, France. The Battle of Vimy Ridge, a key part of the larger Battle of Arras, saw the four divisions of the Canadian Corps facing three German divisions.

This battle has become a powerful symbol of Canadian sacrifice and national achievement. Standing at the memorial, we were deeply moved as we reflected on the immense loss of life—nearly 3,600 soldiers killed and over 7,000 wounded.

Vimy memorial site showing trench and bomb craters
Bomb craters mark the 250-acre Vimy site

We visited many Great War sites and wandered through the graveyards of the fallen, trying to comprehend the unimaginable horrors of the conflict.

Rampart cemetery, Ypres, Belgium
Rampart Cemetery in Ypres

One particularly poignant stop was the In Flanders Fields Museum in Ypres, Belgium—a remarkable institution dedicated to preserving and studying the history of the First World War.

In Flanders Fieldss war museum, Belgium

The museum is named after the famous poem by Canadian George MaCrae written on December 8, 1915.

a poem by George Macrae, Candina solder in world war one
George MaCrae

The exhibit tells the story of the invasion of Belgium, the first months of the mobilization, and the four years of unimaginable trench warfare.

Ypres city hall and site of In Flanders Fields Museum
The impressive Ypres (Leper, Yper)city hall was faithfully reconstructed after the war and is where the museum is situated

The personal stories of how the First World War affected the lives of individuals of many nationalities are told through the many objects on display. One such object is a time-only French slate clock.

French time-only slate clock
French slate clock

During wartime, soldiers often collected souvenirs as tangible reminders of their experiences, victories, or the places they visited. These items carried emotional, historical, or symbolic value and provided a personal connection to their time in service. Soldiers often found helmets, badges, bayonets, or weapons taken from the battlefield that, to them, symbolized triumph or survival.

These keepsakes not only held personal significance but also allowed soldiers to share their experiences with loved ones upon their return.

One fascinating example is Corporal G. Driver of England, who managed to bring home a French slate clock—an object that would have been notably heavy and cumbersome. How he transported it to England intact remains a mystery. Upon closer inspection, the clock reveals its journey through time, with nicks, scratches, cracks, and remnants of what appears to have been a floral design at its base.

The clock was discovered in a local church that had been devastated during the bombing of Ypres by the advancing German forces.

After Corporal Driver passed on, the family held onto the clock for a period but decided in 2005 to return it to Belgium where it now sits on display at the In Flanders Museum.

What moved us most were the deeply personal stories of the soldiers who fought in the Great War—their courage, resilience, and ultimate sacrifice. Their selflessness ensured that future generations, including all of us today, could live in freedom. These poignant tales of humanity and heroism left an indelible mark on us.

Retirement Adventures: Discovering the Culture of France

Retirement definitely has its perks, especially the freedom to dive into passions that may have taken a back seat over the years. Soon, we’ll be heading to France—a mix of my love for horology and a chance to revisit the travels of my younger days. This trip feels like a journey back to history, culture, and even my own roots.

A typical city street in France

Travel, in my opinion, opens our minds in ways nothing else can. Seeing new places, experiencing how others live, and immersing in different cultures broaden our perspectives and help us rethink some of the things we take for granted. It’s like each new experience brings a little reminder of how vast and varied the world is.

France has an especially rich history in horology, with so many contributions to clockmaking over the centuries. I can’t wait to dive into museums and horological spots, seeing for myself the stories behind some of France’s most notable clocks and watches. For me, this trip is more than a hobby; it’s a chance to see some incredible sights and explore new places.

Charles de Gaulle square in Lille, France
Charles de Gaulle Square, Lille, France

A quick online search reveals a variety of specialized clock museums scattered across France. We’ll be based in Lille, Belgium is just a short trip away—and it offers its own unique contributions to the art of clockmaking.

I’m excited to come back with fresh inspiration and knowledge. This journey is a chance to reconnect with the world that has fascinated me for years. For anyone thinking about retirement adventures, I’d say: take the leap. There’s so much waiting to be discovered out there!

Tick Talk Tuesday #45 – what is my clock worth

Tick-Talk Tuesday is dedicated to addressing readers’ letters and comments related to clock issues, challenges, and recommendations for specific clocks. In cases where the comments and questions are particularly challenging, I seek advice from my fellow clock enthusiasts to provide the most accurate and helpful response.

It is important to respond to emails from interested visitors, as it not only cultivates a sense of community and engagement with my audience but also facilitates the establishment of relationships with individuals who share similar interests.

Given that I am not a clock valuation expert and cannot physically inspect its construction, repair status, and overall condition, any estimate I provide from information provided to me by email regarding the clock’s value would be approximate.

HL writes:

Can you please tell me the value of this clock? 

Photo provided by HL

My reply:

It appears to be a French-made clock and looks to be in good shape judging from the photos except for what appears to be a broken chip on the left shoulder of the clock case. Are there any other visible cracks, scratches, or dents on the clock? It is impossible to place a value sight unseen because much is unknown.

For instance, does the clock have its original movement, have parts been replaced over the years, and what repairs if any have been made. Are any unseen parts of the clock missing or broken? In the absence of a professional valuation, it could be worth several hundred dollars if complete and original.

Remarks

I did not hear back from HL. Perhaps I provided them with the answer they were looking for or they were not satisfied with my online appraisal.

While the clock’s aesthetic appeal is undeniable and it could potentially exceed my initial estimate in value, my ability to accurately appraise it is limited by my lack of detailed information regarding its features and history.

Tick Talk Tuesday #25 – broken suspension spring on Vedette clock

Tick-Talk Tuesday is about the letters and comments I have received from you, the reader, concerning your clock, issues you might have had, challenges you face or a clock you would like me to profile and my responses to your questions with advice on your particular clock concern. For those comments and questions that stump even me, I consult within my clock circles for the best possible answer

WE writes:

“I have the same Vedette Westminster chime box clock as the one I saw on your site. I am in need of the spring for the pendulum. Do you know where I can buy one? Thanks”

WE is referring to this clock, a 1930s vintage box clock made by Vedette of France.

Vedette Westminster chime box clock
Vedette Westminster chime box clock

My reply.

“Hi, WE,

If you are in the US, the biggest supplier is Timesavers. Another supplier is Merritt’s. In Canada, the main supplier is Perrin, located in Toronto.

The part you are looking for is called the “suspension spring”. If you have a broken one you will have to measure the total length, the length of the blocks and length of the steel band or bands between the blocks.

Broken suspension spring

Suspension spring mounted on the post

If the suspension spring is missing altogether, I can provide you with measurements to aid in your search. Let me know.

Ron”

Vedette box clock – the plainest Vedette I have ever seen

Vedette Westminster chime box clock
Vedette Westminster chime box clock, as found

French clockmakers such as Vedette, like so many makers of 1930s Europe, made box clocks in several styles. Although I have always wanted a Vedette clock buying one so plain was not what I had in mind but there it was at a silent auction in a clock mart at the NAWCC National Convention in Springfield, Ma. in June 2019 at a take-me please price.

It could easily be mistaken for a typical German box clock of the period save for the attractive oval beveled lower window and lack of side windows. Vedette clocks are typically quite ornate – not this one! However, the sound of the chimes more than make up for its plain jane appearance.

There is nothing quite like the reverberating chime of a Vedette clock

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